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Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: KVD le 29 mars 2021, à 19:38:56
First off, sorry for the English message, but DeepL is your friend!  ;) https://www.deepl.com/en/translator

Hello fellow karterrrs!

It’s almost April already and no news about a potential SMK PAL Championships this summer. The reasons are obvious to anyone, it’s just very hard to plan any kind of meet-up involving more than 5 people while the COVID pandemic has not been resolved. However, there is reason for cautious optimism (vaccinations!). We as IASMK are planning to set the wheels into motion for a PAL SMK Championships in August, in the style of CDM/CDE/SMKAS. It probably will not surprise you when I say there are a lot of uncertainties, but we can at least share the provisional concept we’re aiming for.

Location: Esports game arena (very likely the most suitable location, assuming they’ve reopened and are allowed to organize an event for an arbitrarily large number of people)

Dates: 3rd week of August as usual (16th-21st August). Just so people that are interested can take those dates off.

Rules: Here is the document for the tournament: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423885073285251074/825734832293806110/CDM_rules.txt (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423885073285251074/825734832293806110/CDM_rules.txt)

In all likelihood this will NOT be a full-fledged CDM (due to some intercontinental traveling restrictions expected to still be in place), but if this event takes place it will be the de facto SMK PAL championships of 2021; very much like SMKAS turned out to be for 2020 in retrospect. Whether we will call this a CDE (and count it for the official Championnat statistics) or a SMKAS part 2 is still up in the air and also depends on how the community decides to view the event to take place. There may still be a limited cap on how many people are allowed to participate, though this is impossible to predict in advance. The normal year CDM cap is 64 btw.
If you have any questions or remarks, please let us know. We’ll try to set the wheels in motion with the Esports arena soon (fingers crossed they survived the pandemic in ok health, both literally and figuratively).

Karel on behalf of the IASMK
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: Narnet le 01 avril 2021, à 12:34:42
Bon, moi je vais parler en Français  ^-^ ::).

Je trouve ça disons ... "péremptoire", de dire qu'un événement SMK où ne pourront pas venir tous les habitués qui le souhaitent, que ce soit pour des raisons de :
a) quarantaine/quatorzaine
b) ou d'interdiction de sortie d'un territoire ou d'entrée dans un territoire
c) ou des problèmes de vaccination, si certains n'auront pas encore eu accès à un vaccin d'ici là
d) de soumission à un test PCR, européen (ou chinois  :-X)
e) limitation de participants parce que la salle ne devra pas contenir + de tant de personnes
sera d'office un CDM ; ou un "CDE".

Je trouve très engagé, et noble, et très motivé, de vouloir à tout prix organiser un événement SMK malgré cette p..... de pandémie.
Mais appeler ceci un CDM/CDE, non quoi.

Quand à dire (si j'ai bien compris ? désolé pour mon anglais) que le SMKAS pourrait être considéré comme le CDM 2020, hem ... On pensait que le CDM aurait lieu ultérieurement, il n'y avait pas de raison à se rendre forcément à cette exhibition ; à ce compte là, l'événement SMK 2020 qui réunissait le + de participants, c'était la Winter Cup à Paris en Janvier 2020, et c'est ça qui devrait servir "officiellement" de CDM 2020  ::) ;D.
Le CDM 2020 a été annulé, c'est comme ça. Comme d'autres événements sportifs. Et si le CDM 2021 doit être annulé également, bé ça serait comme ça aussi.
Genre l'Euro de cette année, si on dit à la moitié des pays engagés de ne pas participer, ça va être vachement bon esprit ...



Sinon, concernant le règlement : que le TT soit "mis" au même coefficient ("2") que les modes 2-Player.
L'an dernier, je n'avais rien dit, étant donné la conjoncture, et que c'était pour un tournoi Event/exhib, ça ne me dérangeait pas ; mais pour le CDM, si.
Mais bon, après,  ce n'est que mon avis. On va être 5 à s'exprimer ici, et je ne serai pas majoritaire.
C'est juste dommage qu'on n'ait pas fait un sondage sur ce point, avec un nombre "significatif" de joueurs de CDM ; comme on l'avait évoqué, d'ailleurs.

Je tiens à préciser que ce n'est pas la nouveau "confinement" qui me fait "râler". D'ailleurs, là, je ne râlais pas, je m'exprimais  :P.
Un event SMK, banco. Un CDM dans ces conditions, plutôt non.

PS : je précise que si l'an dernier, le CDM avait eu lieu à Gasny, en Octobre-novembre-décembre, avec 20 ou 15 personnes, comme finalement ça aurait pu être le cas, je n'aurais pas non plus "apprécié" qu'il soit considéré comme un CDM.

Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: ScouB le 01 avril 2021, à 18:00:36
+1 sur tout ton post Narnet.
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: SparksF1 le 03 avril 2021, à 16:57:40
Bhuel má táimid go léir ag déanamh teangacha éagsúla an bhféadfainn tosú le roinnt Gaeilge?

Well if the Paris Winter cup is going to be the De Facto 2020 CDM i hope Narnet still has the pieces of paper with the results  ;D ;D

On TT getting equal weighting with the other modes i feel 100% that it should do in the event of an extended format. It's the purest form of the game and i also don't think there would have been many times that it would have massively changed positions at the top of the overall rankings.

The fact that any sort of a kart meet is being attempted in these difficult times is a credit to Karel and all involved with IASMK. I hope that miracles happen and all us nutters get to meetup and have fun in a safe and enjoyable way.
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: KVD le 05 avril 2021, à 21:16:31
@ Narnet and ScouB, I did not imply that SMKAS 2020 should be considered a CDM retrospectively. I just said that it was the de facto PAL SMK championships of 2020, that is hard to deny. It had much more of an official tournament structure than the Winter Cup (for example no Jey importing his drunk friends in the middle of the event  ::)), regardless of who participated. I'd like to eventually see SMKAS (and ASMKC 2019 & 2020 and future editions) to be added to the historical SMK tournament result archives at http://www.ffsmk.org/. Obviously NOT as CDMs, but both as standalone SMK championship series. This becomes even more crucial if we do decide to call the 2021 edition (if there will even be one) SMKAS 2.0 instead of CDE. I'm perfecty fine with NOT labeling it an official Championnat event btw, if that's the general community vibe. Then it'll just be SMKAS 2.0. For the record I also agree that a 15 people Gasny event would not have been a CDM in 2020.

About the rule changes, they were proposed more than a year ago on this very forum and no one bothered to reply. The window to object against this has long closed. I mean, feel free to do so, we will listen, but likely won't change them at this point (unless it becomes a very vocal majority).  :)

Also, please let's focus on the important message here: there might be an SMK event this year.  <3
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: Antistar le 06 avril 2021, à 10:08:33
I don't think anyone wants any 2020 event to be considered retrospectively as a CDM, anyway. It's pretty obvious SMKAS was the closest to a CDM that year but it will never be regarded such as. This should have been suggested prior to the event and we also need to do so for 2021 since the situation will probably not evolve enough next August to have a regular CDM once again. :-\

Oh, and I 100% agree on this part of Karel's post:

Citer
I'd like to eventually see SMKAS (and ASMKC 2019 & 2020 and future editions) to be added to the historical SMK tournament result archives at http://www.ffsmk.org/. Obviously NOT as CDMs, but both as standalone SMK championship series. This becomes even more crucial if we do decide to call the 2021 edition (if there will even be one) SMKAS 2.0 instead of CDE. I'm perfecty fine with NOT labeling it an official Championnat event btw, if that's the general community vibe. Then it'll just be SMKAS 2.0. For the record I also agree that a 15 people Gasny event would not have been a CDM in 2020.
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: Jarmou le 06 avril 2021, à 10:12:06
La période est ce qu'elle est et elle draine son lot de bizarreries/désagréments/exceptions. (sans même parler des choses vraiment graves.)

En ce qui me concerne, peu importe l'appellation, mais comme ça a été dit, "il pourrait y avoir un événement SMK" cette année et franchement rien que ça me mettrait en joie.
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: Narnet le 06 avril 2021, à 23:50:51
.....
For the record I also agree that a 15 people Gasny event would not have been a CDM in 2020.

About the rule changes, they were proposed more than a year ago on this very forum and no one bothered to reply. The window to object against this has long closed. I mean, feel free to do so, we will listen, but likely won't change them at this point (unless it becomes a very vocal majority).  :)



C'est une blague, c'est ça ?  ::)

Règlement posté le 24 Septembre 2020, déjà ça fait 6 mois, pas un an.
Ensuite, 4 réactions là-dessus en 5 jours (perso, je préparais mes arguments ; par ailleurs, au delà du coefficient du TT,  j'avais quelques questions sur le système suisse : ses inconvénients (parce qu'il y en a), celui qui serait employé exactement, le barème de points) ; et 5 jours + tard, on apprend que le gîte prévu pour le CDM ne serait pas disponible  (dégâts des eaux, de mémoire). Déjà qu'il était dit genre ça serait un essai de règlement sur un CDM "particulier" de 15-20 personnes, tout ça au début de la 2eme vague du Covid (en tous cas, en France), pour un CDM 2020 qui était déjà quasiment mort et enterré, alors oui, excusez-moi je n'ai pas pris la peine de répondre, ce n'était déjà plus le moment.
5 jours de fenêtre de discussion donc, et pas 1 an ...

Étant donné que ce règlement redevient d'actualité, c'est maintenant que j'en parle. Mais pour un CDM 2021 très hypothétique, et avec notre 3eme "confinement", je ne suis même pas spécialement motivé pour en débattre ; surtout si j'ai l'impression que c'est déjà tranché ...
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: KVD le 07 avril 2021, à 13:13:04
Bonjour Narnet.  :plume:  :D

C'est une blague, c'est ça ?  ::)

Unfortunately the real joke is what happened when none of the people that are so vocal about the rules stepped up to save the FFSMK when it was dying / disbanding.  :-X

But let's not just point fingers here. What you say is true: this version of the rules document was proposed first in September 2020 in a period when focusing on the next tournament was difficult. We can of course empathize with this point you make.
You mentioned nothing of the Swiss system in your first post in this topic. You just referred to the fact that SMKAS was not a CDM (which we all agree on to begin with) and the old TT coefficient discussion, which is the one thing that has been debated extensively in the community more than a year ago (starting January 2020 to be precise). Discussions on the TT format change took place on this forum, at live events (Winter Cup and ASMKC), on the Discord and in the international SMK WhatsApp group. The vast majority of people that engaged were in favor of treating TT equally and justifying this by extending the Last Karter standing. There were a few voices against (a handful of French only), but I'm sure everyone understands it's unreasonable to expect unanimous support for every decision. We then field tested this new TT implementation at CDM 2019 and the extended format at SMKAS 2020 and it was very well received both times.

For the sake of clear communication then, it is possible we did not formally announce the final decision in this matter (even though the discussion ended over a year ago), but here it is: TT will be implemented in the fashion described by the rules outlined above in any tournament organized by the IASMK going forward.

The other changes were first suggested in the September 2020 topic (and some of them were also field tested and well received at SMKAS a month earlier). We intended to test the Swiss system at SMKAS, but it didn't make sense to do so with only a dozen players. So I think it is fair that these changes can still be up for discussion. I apologize for my tone making them seem almost final (I was mostly referring to the TT part there, which is the only thing you addressed in your first post). We have been discouraged by the lack of supportive messages about SMK events on this forum, so that may have triggered my tone a little. You say the window was 5 days, but the window was never closed so it's been open for at least 6 months. By the way, the proposed switch from Belgian to Swiss system is also largely born out of pragmaticism. I doubt even Djo (the creator) knows exactly how the Excel code works behind this system and of the people in the IASMK organisation only Patrick can sort of run it. And when I say sort of, I mean he does run into trouble with bugs and stuff almost every time it is used.

I will say the odds are high that this summer's SMK tournament will be a SMKAS part 2 and not an official Championnat (again), so it will give us one more opportunity to field test the new format and this time hopefully with a higher number of participants. For the sake of clear communication once again then: the format and associated rules that are being suggested and tested are not just for a spinoff tournament series. The intent is clear here: if the format is approved it will be applied to any SMK tournament organized by the IASMK tournament going forward (including CDM 2022, etc). I hope that is clear.  :)  If you or anyone has any questions or remarks about the switch to a Swiss system or other proposed rules, now would be the time.
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: salimalikoum le 08 avril 2021, à 12:50:32
يبدو الأمر نفسه عندما أقرأ باللغة الإنجليزية! أنا أفكر فقط أن الوقت محاكمة المشجعين بحاجة إلى أن يجادل بشفافية
 ;D :D
خلاف ذلك ، وأنا في صالح بطولة الفرنسية مع الأجانب إذا كانوا يريدون / يمكن لأن الحدود قد تكون مغلقة! حتى على الإطلاق لا مصلحة في التخطيط لبطولة مثل العام الماضي!
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: KVD le 08 avril 2021, à 13:28:13
مرحبا سالم ، مترجم جوجل يعمل  ;D

Discussions on the TT format change took place on this forum, at live events (Winter Cup and ASMKC), on the Discord and in the international SMK WhatsApp group. The vast majority of people that engaged were in favor of treating TT equally and justifying this by extending the Last Karter standing. There were a few voices against (a handful of French only), but I'm sure everyone understands it's unreasonable to expect unanimous support for every decision. We then field tested this new TT implementation at CDM 2019 and the extended format at SMKAS 2020 and it was very well received both times.

For the sake of clear communication then, it is possible we did not formally announce the final decision in this matter (even though the discussion ended over a year ago), but here it is: TT will be implemented in the fashion described by the rules outlined above in any tournament organized by the IASMK going forward.

I don't know how we can possibly be more transparent than this.  ;D

Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: salimalikoum le 08 avril 2021, à 14:26:32
Ce n'est pas officiel mais ça se passera ainsi pour tout tournoi IASMK !?  ;D c'est donc officiel pour l'IASMK !
Perso, je me suis pas exprimé sur le sujet mais ça ne me choque pas du tout que le coeff soit augmenté, jusqu'à égalité aux autres ça ne m'arrange pas mais c'est quand même assez réglo parce que c'est très impressionnant le time trial et c'est la seule épreuve qui se joue en solo.
En revanche, on pourrait réhausser le coeff en battle !?  :D :D ;D

Sinon, il faudrait se prononcer pour le championnat de cet été et prévoir un truc national qui tiendrait compte des conditions (frontières fermées) ! c'est la priorité du moment je pense !
on peut en parallèle prévoir un truc européen mais la dictature sanitairoriste n'offre rien de prévisible... on devrait donc privilégier un truc national à mon sens !
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: KVD le 08 avril 2021, à 15:13:38
Doing a French based event somewhere this year would be nice of course (for those that cant go to NL), but I'll leave that up to you all of course.  :D
International travel is indeed complicated and probably will be for some time, but it is possible. Within the bounds of Europe at least.
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: tif le 10 avril 2021, à 01:46:46
I think we should give tif extra points for being tif
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: salimalikoum le 10 avril 2021, à 13:45:33
J'espère que le IASMK / CDE va se tenir ! normalement, ça ne devrait poser aucun souci ! Mais puisque l'anormal est devenu la norme, on risque d'en démordre si notre compét' perd le nord. Pour cela je vais m'entrainer sans relâche, employer mon nrj comme un JDR, repousser toutes les barrières humaines, pour qu'aucune frontière ne puisse stoper la compét' par des limites inhumaines, pass-droit mal aiguillés, vaccins contre l'intelligence, gendarmes ou militaires, notre rapidité et précision de karter sauront les faire taire !
Sinon... faudra prévoir autre chose  ;D
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: KVD le 18 mai 2021, à 22:13:32
Dear karters, time for an update regarding the summer tournament!

First the really good news: Thomas has confirmed that the Esports Game Arena in Alphen wants us, will be open and is available for the suggested dates (16th-21st August)!  :etoile:

This event will have a 32 participants cap. Because we’re expecting more interest than for last year’s SMKAS event we have to consider two different approaches for sign-ups. Normally it is first come, first served. Normally this is not a problem as the number of participants is usually a bit below the 64 person cap. And last year for SMKAS it was well below the 32. This year might be different, I can sense people are hungry for SMK. We may decide to reserve a few wildcards for top players / core community members that might be forced to sign up late (during the pandemic this is even much more understandable than before), depending on how the (pre) sign-up process goes.
Lars is still interested in giving us a daily lunch & dinner deal. So yes, his restaurant survived the year, cheers for Lars!  :plume: We’re still discussing the details of the deal. Last year it was ~8 euros per meal, which is very generous. Hopefully he will offer us a similar deal.

Tickets will be available in two different packages (I’m also still discussing the venue price with Thomas), one with and one without lunch options. We’re also discussing a deal with the local hotel (in the same street). It’s expensive if you arrange your own traveling plans (unfortunately), but maybe Thomas can talk us into a decent bulk deal.
Now on to the second big reason I’m posting this announcement: we’re keen on learning who of you is up for this event, so we can start planning accordingly. I will be posting a (pre) sign-up list and updating it.
I also want to know if you can bring equipment (SNES + SMK or even TV(s) if you live in the Netherlands). Disclaimer: Anyone put on the list is interested in joining and has the intention to join if circumstances allow. Obviously we’re not dealing with certain sign-ups this year (though arguably we never really are anyway).
Once we have a list of the karters interested, the discussion whether this event should be labeled a SMKAS part 2 or CDE 2021 can be held in a meaningful way. Until this is clearer we at the IASMK feel it’s premature to have such a discussion, simply because not all the relevant factors are on the table.

Cheers,
KVD

The sign-up for SMKAS2 / CDE 2021 is as follows (update 18-5-2021):
1 Neo
2 Geo
3 KVD
4 Mario86
5 Jarmou (she might bring a team this year, we will wait for more info)
6 Lafungo
7 Martin (MvH)
8 Aron
9 Zarkov
10 Moll
11 SparksF1
12 MeridianPrime
13 Sjors (the drunk strawberry)
14 Mike (Bl44tje) (GP and TT only?)
15 Mark Duivesteijn
16 Rub (Gerard Roodhorst)
17 Rune (BM only potentially)
18 Wild
19 Gijs Vos (supernal)
20 FF
21 Salim
22 Come (Kusumer)
23 MJ (not there for GP day)
24 Edwin (TT + BM only)
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: Antistar le 19 mai 2021, à 09:58:36
Great news, hopefully we'll be able to be enough to officially (Geo) label it as an official championship this time.
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: KVD le 19 mai 2021, à 10:29:02
Great news, hopefully we'll be able to be enough to officially (Geo) label it as an official championship this time.

I see what you did there (Label lol)  :D
If we get ScouB on top of all the names listed it's almost a no brainer. But even now it's not looking too bad. Let's wait a little to see how things develop.
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: SparksF1 le 19 mai 2021, à 18:27:20
I should be getting my first vaccine jab in the next 2-3 weeks so it will come down to the gap between doses. If I'm fully in the clear and the EU green card system is in place I'm there for the event. Keeping fingers crossed
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: Champix le 22 mai 2021, à 09:44:26

En revanche, on pourrait réhausser le coeff en battle !?  :D :D ;D




+1
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: KVD le 24 mai 2021, à 13:12:05
Quick announcement about the hotel arrangements:
There is a new hotel that opened up right next door to the Esports game arena (like literally 2 minutes walking distance). It's not a cheap one, but Thomas managed to negociate a bulk discount. He reserved 10 rooms (but they can still be cancelled if no one wants the deal). https://www.stadsherbergalphen.nl/?lang=en

The price he got for us is 60 euros per night per person. They're 2 person rooms and breakfast is included. Please let me know if you're interested in this deal so I know what to tell Thomas. The alternatives are still the Avifauna hotel which is less expensive, but much further away (it was in the 35 euros per person range last year if I remember correctly), arranging your own Airbnbs or crashing at a local karter's place (limited capacity and people outside of NL have priority).

If you need any help arranging your stay in Alphen, don't hesitate to drop me a message!  :)
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: salimalikoum le 25 mai 2021, à 12:45:28
10 personnes sur 32 (et si on enlève les hollandais et les étrangers hébergés) devient 10/25 à peu-près, soit 40% des joueurs. Or, je doute qu'ils aient envie de payer entre 240 et 300E juste pour dormir dans le même bâtiment.
Après, il y a ceux qui n'ont rien dépensé pendant le covid et ont fait plein d'économie mais il y a aussi ceux qui n'ont rien pu gagner pendant la dictature (d'ailleurs la dette sera proche des 1000 milliards pour la France, soit 1 million fois 1 million, en gros, 1 million d'euros pour 1 million de français, mais les français ça les inquiète pas, je comprends pourquoi ce sont les plus nuls d'Europe en maths).
Sinon, je suis plutôt favorable à ce qu'on appelle ça le cde, puisque ça pousse les gens à venir et en plus, je rigole, mais bon, ça signifie que Scoub, par sa présence ou non, on peut prendre son titre que si il accepte de le remettre en jeu, donc si il ne revient pas pendant 3-4 ans... je plaisante bien-sûr, je souligne juste le petit coté comic et le fait qu'on ne peut, pour moi, annuler deux fois une compétition. On ne va pas annuler wimbledon à chaque fois que federer est absent ou interdire roland garros quand rafa ne sera plus là. On a déjà interdit la world smk afrika à cause de mon absence alors j'imagine que pareillement, cela déchirerait le coeur de scoub si le championnat était annulé à cause du champion. Un champion, ça championne, partout, contre vents et marée, comme Mark Landers contre les vagues de la mer, comme un éclair qui brise un rocher, une étoile, ce point fixe de sublimation dans le ciel, dont scoub dispose de quatre unités fraichement étalées comme des grains de beauté sur le visage, tous rêvons de pouvoir faire chanceler les étoiles et tout faire pour empêcher qu'il ait ce cinquième titre, cette cinquième étoile, car ce serait une constellation gravée sur son visage et le rendrait invincible. Tous, nous nous sommes entrainés depuis toute l'année, et quand j'y pense, depuis tout petit, voire qq générations, (je comprends maintenant pour quoi mon grand-père conservait le carapaces d'escargot et les coloriait en rouge, et pourquoi mon père se réveillait pour le travail avec un réveil contenant les trois petites notes de musique de Lakitu au départ des courses), bref, je propose que ce soit un championnat du monde et que le champion overall doive ensuite aller affronter scoub en streaming à Toutloose, que le champion du battle aille affronter en stream Drew à Toutwin et de course se rendre au japon affronter Takashié en stringman...
Bref, juste pour dire qu'officialiser le cde, serait une bonne idée, à mon humble avis ; et que 60E la nuit, ce serait cool si je trouvais ça une bonne affaire, mais ce n'est pas le cas, et comme dit Macron, il n'y a pas d'argent magique (slmt à partir de 500 milliards d'euros) !
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: salimalikoum le 25 mai 2021, à 13:07:07

En revanche, on pourrait réhausser le coeff en battle !?  :D :D ;D




+1
on commence à être nombreux à le penser, il va falloir discuter de cette anomalie !!

+1
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: KVD le 25 mai 2021, à 16:30:47
Salim, can I put you on the pre sign-up list? It would mean that you're not committed to come yet, but if you can, you will!  ;)

I agree with the stuff you posted (minus the BM nonsense). The hotel deal is pretty bad, it's too expensive and not much discount. Too bad becasuse the hotel is so close to the Esports game arena. Reminder that people from abroad can sleep at Martin's or Mike's if they contact him early enough.  ;)

We are also leaning towards calling it a CDE yes. Especially if Geo and Neo will indeed be present (their gold medal history at CDM speaks for itself  :D). Like you said, we can't cancel Wimbledon everytime a top player can't make it. I'd really love it if ScouB can make it after all too, that would completely remove most discussion points. We'll have to wait and see. :) But I do think we need to make the final decision in a few weeks so we can prepare the medals with the appropriate event name.  ;D
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: salimalikoum le 25 mai 2021, à 17:10:15
Yes Karel, you can put me in the pré sign-up liste !  :D
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: KVD le 25 mai 2021, à 21:13:05
Thomas renegotiated the Alphen hotel deal to 50 euros per person per night without breakfast. Please speak up if you're interested this asap so I know how many rooms we want there (if any).
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: Narnet le 28 mai 2021, à 17:06:33

20 FF
21 Salim

Je prendrais bien la place de 22ème :D ;D ; mais ça va dépendre de 2-3 trucs :poisson:

Déjà, en l'état sanitaire actuel (mise à jour du 19 mai : https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/conseils-aux-voyageurs/conseils-par-pays-destination/pays-bas/ (https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/conseils-aux-voyageurs/conseils-par-pays-destination/pays-bas/)), avec test PCRs avant et après, et 10 jours de quarantaine, c'est non d'office :-X.

Ensuite, sans tout ça, je peux éventuellement envisager une venue ::) (mais juste pour jouer le BM ; et peut-être le TT (léger frémissement du début d'un come-back total  8)).
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: salimalikoum le 28 mai 2021, à 22:10:19
Ah ! c'est cool ça ! En aout, ça devrait être tranquille même si les lobbies mettront la pression jusqu'à ce qu'ils aient vacciner tous les enfants, voire les foetus, les chiens, les poissons rouges etc...
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: FFVIMan le 29 mai 2021, à 02:36:20
Quick announcement about the hotel arrangements:
There is a new hotel that opened up right next door to the Esports game arena (like literally 2 minutes walking distance). It's not a cheap one, but Thomas managed to negociate a bulk discount. He reserved 10 rooms (but they can still be cancelled if no one wants the deal). https://www.stadsherbergalphen.nl/?lang=en

The price he got for us is 60 euros per night per person. They're 2 person rooms and breakfast is included. Please let me know if you're interested in this deal so I know what to tell Thomas. The alternatives are still the Avifauna hotel which is less expensive, but much further away (it was in the 35 euros per person range last year if I remember correctly), arranging your own Airbnbs or crashing at a local karter's place (limited capacity and people outside of NL have priority).

If you need any help arranging your stay in Alphen, don't hesitate to drop me a message!  :)
Ready
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: Narnet le 15 août 2021, à 15:27:56
Je ne sais pas trop où mettre ça, je l'avais lu dans le mag de l'équipe du 9 juillet (page 60) :
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Cette nostlagie (le rétrogaming) touche une génération de trentenaires et de quarantenaires, ceux qui ont assisté, ados, à l'explosion du jeu vidéo. "ça rapproche physiquement les gens parce que ces jeux-là ne poeuvent pas être joués en réseau.", explique (Cyril) Assous (ancien champion de France sur PES 2003). "Quand je vois les jeux vidéo de mes enfants, les trucs à 14 boutons et 150 combos, je suis complètement dépassé !" dit (Sébastien) Hette (ancien tennisman, qui a une collection de 3000 jeux vidéo de sport vintage). Le retrogaming est un cocktail gagnant, qui peine encore à être représenté en compétition. "à très haut niveau, aucune compétition rétro n'existe hormis quelques tournois de Mario Kart. Le rétrogaming reste surtout un plaisir. ", souligne Cyril Assous

Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: Antistar le 15 août 2021, à 15:43:31
Trop bien :D
Titre: SMK PAL Championships 2021 (CDE/SMKAS part 2)?!
Posté par: Narnet le 25 octobre 2022, à 16:35:03
Bonjour Narnet.  :plume:  :D

C'est une blague, c'est ça ?  ::)

Unfortunately the real joke is what happened when none of the people that are so vocal about the rules stepped up to save the FFSMK when it was dying / disbanding.  :-X

But let's not just point fingers here. What you say is true: this version of the rules document was proposed first in September 2020 in a period when focusing on the next tournament was difficult. We can of course empathize with this point you make.
You mentioned nothing of the Swiss system in your first post in this topic. You just referred to the fact that SMKAS was not a CDM (which we all agree on to begin with) and the old TT coefficient discussion, which is the one thing that has been debated extensively in the community more than a year ago (starting January 2020 to be precise). Discussions on the TT format change took place on this forum, at live events (Winter Cup and ASMKC), on the Discord and in the international SMK WhatsApp group. The vast majority of people that engaged were in favor of treating TT equally and justifying this by extending the Last Karter standing. There were a few voices against (a handful of French only), but I'm sure everyone understands it's unreasonable to expect unanimous support for every decision. We then field tested this new TT implementation at CDM 2019 and the extended format at SMKAS 2020 and it was very well received both times.

For the sake of clear communication then, it is possible we did not formally announce the final decision in this matter (even though the discussion ended over a year ago), but here it is: TT will be implemented in the fashion described by the rules outlined above in any tournament organized by the IASMK going forward.

The other changes were first suggested in the September 2020 topic (and some of them were also field tested and well received at SMKAS a month earlier). We intended to test the Swiss system at SMKAS, but it didn't make sense to do so with only a dozen players. So I think it is fair that these changes can still be up for discussion. I apologize for my tone making them seem almost final (I was mostly referring to the TT part there, which is the only thing you addressed in your first post). We have been discouraged by the lack of supportive messages about SMK events on this forum, so that may have triggered my tone a little. You say the window was 5 days, but the window was never closed so it's been open for at least 6 months. By the way, the proposed switch from Belgian to Swiss system is also largely born out of pragmaticism. I doubt even Djo (the creator) knows exactly how the Excel code works behind this system and of the people in the IASMK organisation only Patrick can sort of run it. And when I say sort of, I mean he does run into trouble with bugs and stuff almost every time it is used.

I will say the odds are high that this summer's SMK tournament will be a SMKAS part 2 and not an official Championnat (again), so it will give us one more opportunity to field test the new format and this time hopefully with a higher number of participants. For the sake of clear communication once again then: the format and associated rules that are being suggested and tested are not just for a spinoff tournament series. The intent is clear here: if the format is approved it will be applied to any SMK tournament organized by the IASMK tournament going forward (including CDM 2022, etc). I hope that is clear.  :)  If you or anyone has any questions or remarks about the switch to a Swiss system or other proposed rules, now would be the time.

Je viens de découvrir aujourd'hui le Discord SMK .... Je comprends mieux pourquoi mon inconscient a fait que je ne m'y suis jamais intéressé :
a) il faut parler en anglais
b) c'est un tchat géant sans queue ni tête, sur plusieurs années .... avec quelques (pas assez) thèmes/onglets par ci par là pour faire vaguement comme si c'était organisé. Je préfère largement un forum.

Bref : compliqué de retrouver la trace des discussions des convaincus du coefficient 2 en TT.
Le Whatsapp international, ça va être le même délire.
Et les discussions irl : l'ASMKC, je n'y étais pas, et la Winter 2020, je devais dormir ou commenter, je n'y ai pas pris part.

Tout ça pour dire que je suis toujours contre cette "évolution" du poids du TT (et de + en +), bien que le seul ou presque, apparemment.
Et qu'après 2 années de pratique lors des championnats, je suis désormais bien remonté contre le système Suisse également ...

J'étayerai mes propos un peu + tard (pour le système Suisse, pour démontrer certaines choses, j'ai besoin de saisir des données pendant des heures et des heures, et actuellement je n'ai pas l'envie ni la motivation de le faire ; mon début d'année scolaire a été "compliqué" et j'ai encore besoin de recul et de repos pour m'adonner à ça).
Et pour le TT, je vais devoir m'attaquer à mes bilans des CdM 2021 et 2022, et répondre à ce qui m'a personnellement agacé cet été, même si je m'en suis expliqué irl avec la personne concernée ; mêmes motifs, mêmes punitions : ni l'envie, ni la motivation.
J'ai néanmoins planifié la semaine prochaine pour m'attaquer (enfin) à tout ça, après une semaine complète de vacances.

Voilà voilà, affaires (et débats ?) à suivre