Basically during the whole group stage, I'm just thinking "Ok, let's play another 14 matches just to get a top 4 or top 6 in quite a random order".
I don't know, maybe it's time to modify deeply the system ? Why not trying the double elimination system ? That's probably another discussion to have.
That's how I feel in group stage too, completely. The outcomes of important group stage matches are extremely volatile (that's not a bad thing perse, but it doesn't justify spending so much time on it, perhaps). I'd obviously be in favour of trying a double elimination system, and/or expand group stage to a best of 5 rather than BO4 (that way BM and MR are also the same length as a GP cup. #OCD). It's another discussion to be had, I guess we have to have some votes about these topics down the line.
Vous voulez dire que vous préféreriez un système avec directement une phase éliminatoire ?!
Et quand vous parlez de tournoi à double élimination, vous parlez de celui genre tournoi de Judo des JO (où quelqu'un qui perd une fois peut encore jouer la médaille de bronze ?), ou le tournoi "de base", où tu peux encore gagner l'or, si tu vas en finale des perdants, et que tu affrontes le vainqueur "des vainqueurs" (mais en devant le battre 2 fois pour justifier une victoire finale ?). Effectivement, avec ça, on va rallonger la sauce, et ça va être dur à "comprendre".
Et ça impliquerait, quelque soit le modèle choisi, que tous les matchs de phase finale aient la même durée ? (soit en moyenne, 1er à 8 en MR et BM, et 1er à 3 cups en GP).
Pour les matchs de poule de MR et de BM en 5 courses/arènes, c'est une blague, c'est ça ? Sinon, pour les journées de BM avec 2 fois la map 4, il faudra prévoir des cordes pour se perdre, quand on devra patienter un quart d'heure pour qu'un match se finisse .... pas l'idéal pour diminuer la durée des phases de poule
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100% agree with Scoub on this specific point. If I didn't deeply love this game and this championship, I'd also have retired from CDMs (and pretty much everything SMK-related then, as my activity throughout the year is close to zero nowadays) for years now.
I think you can't understand this feeling if you're not in the shoes of the guy(s) who had to play all the matches all day and all night long during numerous years (13 fucking consecutive years, AFAIC).
To me this still feels a little bit like if Roger Federer would complain that he never gets eliminated before quarter finals for over a decade.
If you can't handle it, it will automatically fix itself, as your performance would decrease and you wouldn't have to play that many matches. It's natural selection basically. That may sound harsh, but it's coming from a player who tends to play less well towards the end of a tournament day. I don't have the focus stamina that some of you guys have and that's ok, as it's another one of the ingredients that is being tested, actually.
Anyway, matches played was 60 for you in 2015 and 60 again for both ScouB and you in 2016. In 2019 it's been already a bit decreased to 54 max (for ScouB and Sami). In 2012 the highest number was reached (64 for Neo!); personally I played 59 that year. It don't remember it feeling extra tiring. I don't mind playing 50+ games that much, personally what is more important for me is sufficient hours and quality of sleep. No Championnat will ever be as tiring for me as the 2007 one therefore.
Again, I really wonder whether playing a few more rounds of TT is going to impact on this at all. My gut feeling says it would be negligible.
Also, in all likelihood, adding a double elimination system will rather increase than decrease the number of confrontations. With that being said, the length of the matches also matters of course. Playing a final is basically equivalent to playing 5 group stage matches right now. Perhaps the lengths can be tweaked a bit too. A lot to think about.
Attention, ce que tu (Karel) appelles "match", ce sont aussi bien un match de poule qu'un affrontement de phase finale : une finale allant à 11-10 n'est pas équivalent à un 8ème gagné 5-0. Faudrait presque faire des conversions en unités de base (matchs de poule de MR-BM ou cup) pour avoir une idée + "précise" de ce que ça représente.
Malgré tout, tout jouer du début à la fin, c'est effectivement beaucoup
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I understand the logic "TT is a mode of SMK, then it should have the same coef", but I do not think it is something that must be accepted as absolute truth in this case. I think the CDM (and the way points are earned) is just made like we wish to define it.
I think in the end it boils down to this. I personally focus on the arguments brought up against TT equal weighting as to my ears they sound completely bogus. And I'm happy to see you at least sided with the equal coeff from a logical point of view. But in the end it's not the arguments that matter, it's what we want the CDM to be. That's the nail on the head in your post.
We are going to have to decide this via a vote at some point. It seems inescapable. Not a forum poll.....lol.
Probably an email vote to ffsmk email address would be the best method of doing this. So ScouB and me (and whoever) can personally validate the votes. No pseudo accounts and karter gfs voting, just people that have already participated in CDMs and have the expressed desire to attend the 2020 one. Should be easy enough to moderate.
Thoughts?
rire jaune pour le "lol" ... bref, c'est fait c'est fait
Un vote, par mail, de la part d'anciens joueurs de CDM, pourquoi pas.
Après, je serais + pour demander l'avis de joueurs ayant participé à un CDM dans les 5 dernières éditions, plutôt qu'à ceux qui vont peut-être hypothétiquement faire le prochain. Surtout que si c'est Alphen 3 ou un "Suze like", on n'aura pas forcément le même public, et l'avis d'anciens serait + représentatif de ce qu'on veut pour un CDM.