Light or High Shakedown

[djo]

We have to choose between the 2 formulas of Shakedown. To recap, the shakedown is the first part of the SB where matches are not programmed according to the temporary ranking but only by matching groups of different levels! After a first panel of test with 38 players, we can not say that the final ranking is clearly less effective with the high option. Of course the top player ranking is more influenced by mid-player draw but also here with a small proportion! And with the high option, the top 8 is not yet guaranteed to face each other (miss 2 or 3 matches only...)

With 38 players :
* Light Shakedown is 6 matches long
* High Shakedown is 9 matches long

So the question is :
* The most important thing is to have the more effective ranking for the finals => Light Shakedown
* The most important thing is to play the more various player => High Shakedown

But this question could also be debate and settle the TT day, with the program in front of everybody...

Here are two printscreen of which matches you could play... to have an idea :
In green the mathes of the shakedown
In red the two last matches

Light Shakedown


High Shakedown

[KVD]

I would prefer a light shakedown, but a high one would be ok too. There's pros and cons for both scenarios and both are acceptable. 

[Neo, the Daenerys Targaryen of SMK]

I would prefer a light shakedown, but a high one would be ok too. There's pros and cons for both scenarios and both are acceptable. 

Same here

[Antistar]

Light seems to be the most obvious / realistic choice.

[Champion de la TOC]

Light seems to be the most obvious / realistic choice.

So for example... on light shakedown... How many people do you play in the poules then in the whole afternoon for 4 races on match race.... six?

Wouldn't the whole poule be done in 1.5 hours then?   

[Moll]

Nah, the "shakedown" is just a number of random matches at the start before the SB style matchmaking kicks in. In both examples there are 15 matches in the pool games. Light has 6 random games to start things off, then a further 9 using the SB matchmaking (hence the green/red match numbers) while heavy has more random games to start things off and less SB matched games.

My preference would be for option C: Use the old system 

[Champion de la TOC]

Nah, the "shakedown" is just a number of random matches at the start before the SB style matchmaking kicks in. In both examples there are 15 matches in the pool games. Light has 6 random games to start things off, then a further 9 using the SB matchmaking (hence the green/red match numbers) while heavy has more random games to start things off and less SB matched games.

My preference would be for option C: Use the old system 

Option C would solve all problems and as a fact is the best, agreed.

If i had to choose between 2nd and 3rd best options; then the more matches in the first round and next round the better. If players mess up the first round of the shakedown then are they stranded in a lower group with no chance for advancing into the bracket etc?

[djo]

If players mess up the first round of the shakedown then are they stranded in a lower group with no chance for advancing into the bracket etc?

It depend what you call mess up the first round : a guy who win only 2 of his 9 matches would have big problem to reach the bracket! But for example if you win 4 or 5 of your 9 first matches it's yet feasable to qualify!
With the SB, there is no fixed group so in the second part you are not like the CDM2012 system => only your result decide which level of opponent you will be face off!

[clbrun]

could we have some simulation screens with display of the W D L + opponents average value? or you can even put the file on a FTP in order to enable anybody to test the SB ?

[djo]

NO Shakedown
* advisable when you don't know most of the level of the players or when you want to play the shortest tournament
LIGHT Shakedown
* 6 various matches to start : advisable when you know most of the level of the players. This is the best system to have the fairest ranking!
HIGH Shakedown
* 8/9 various matches to start : advisable when you know perfectly the level of the players. You have here a quiet balance between ranking and various game!

Pour le moment pas de décision claire (Président?) mais il serait raisonnable pour une première expérience de choisir l'option LIGHT Shakedown qui garde l'esprit intact du SB classique et donne le meilleur classement parmi les 3 options. Si cela se passe bien on pourra envisager dans un futur d'augmenter le nombre de matchs de Shakedown. Mais en BM par exemple ça deviendra difficile de diviser les joueurs en 8 ou 9 groupes de force

[Antistar]

Les gens semblent majoritairement privilégier le light, et comme c'est mon avis aussi, je ne pense pas qu'il soit nécessaire de se poser davantage la question.

[djo]

Je reposte un peu quelques infos ici dans ce topic puisque le débat revient.
Pour vous faire une idée voici ce que donneraient les groupes cette année pour le MR dans les 2 situations (6 ou 8 matchs).
Donc pour commencer chacun rencontre une personne de chaque groupe.


A vous de vous faire une idée si c'est mieux ce passer à 8 ou de rester à 6 comme en 2014

PS: pour la liste de force c'est mon impro perso... je vous laisse le soin de changer ce que vous voulez avant le MR

[djo]

A noter que le dernier match du shakedown peut être comptabilisé comme un match du SB classique puisqu'on affronte qqun d'autre de son groupe
Pour un total de 15matchs :
=> Shakedown 6 = 5[Shak.] + 10[SB]
=> Shakedown 8 = 7[Shak.] + 8[SB]
Donc avec le 8 on aurait encore bcp de matchs contre adversaires directs!

[ScouB]

A noter que le dernier match du shakedown peut être comptabilisé comme un match du SB classique puisqu'on affronte qqun d'autre de son groupe
Pour un total de 15matchs :
=> Shakedown 6 = 5[Shak.] + 10[SB]
=> Shakedown 8 = 7[Shak.] + 8[SB]
Donc avec le 8 on aurait encore bcp de matchs contre adversaires directs!

Yep le shakedown 8 me parait être la bonne option cette année.
Et pourquoi pas 16 journées de poules comme je le disais dans l'autre topic.

[djo]

D'après ce que j'en sais Neo et Mario sont pour ne rien changer à 2014 en ce qui concerne la durée du Shakedown!
Moi je reste favorable pour passer à 8 (et rester à 15 matchs totaux) surtout quand on voit qu'il y a 2 ans on était à 16 matchs de Shakedown 
Je suppose que tout se décidera mardi sur place de vive voix...